[pushes chips towards the center and flops down his cards] Great job, genius.”It’s unlikely that Matt Damon has played with KGB more than the two times that are shown in the film. [to Mike, referring to Grama watching them play nearby] He would probably be blind to any tells that feed into his dominant self image. Although in this case, considering Damon was the pre-flop raiser, then checked, then gave a disclaimer, it might make you a little wary if you were KGB.Okay, then the turn comes a blank. He trapped KGB to be sure, but there wasn't anyway he wasn't coming out of that final hand without enough money to pay Grama and KGB based on the fact he walked away with $60k. https://www.readingpokertells.com/testimonials/3232/
[to Mike, after Mike slow rolled him during their final game] [after losing almost every hand because he underestimated Mike's poker abilities]
KGB has to look at the cards again because he was so certain of what Mike had, a made hand, he didn’t even remember what was on the board. Both Teddy KGB and Mike McDermott (Matt Damon’s character) exhibit a few poker tells besides the infamous Oreo cookie one. Damon checks, KGB bets $2,000, and Damon calls, saying “All right, I’ll call the 2 grand, I’ll gamble.” This is one you hear a lot, although it’s so common to say it, it doesn’t mean much if a decent player says it. But, nope, he was letting out a stream of disclaimers there, too. It’s a process we all go through when it comes to this movie.
[turns around] With Matt Damon, Edward Norton, Gretchen Mol, John Malkovich.
[to Mike, before their final game] I’d watch it again right now!Hi Guys I’ve watched rounders a couple of times and like most amateur poker players I have a dream of winning a WSOP bracelet but I think the mistake that you guys are seeing with KGB’s tell with the oreo’s isn’t that he eats oreo’s when he’s strong or weak its the manner in which he eats the oreos when he’s strong he “listens to the sound the oreo makes when he seperates the two biscuit parts close to his ear” and when he’s weak he seperates it “normally” while watching which Matt Damon picked up on thats KGB’s tell.You mention that Mike doesn’t show development with his disclaimers from the first session in the film to the last session. This is a very classic example of a disclaimer, and many amateurs do this. There’s nothing to say it wouldn’t work either; KGB obviously viewed the game as a pissing contest.
On the turn, “In the morning, self-respect is all you will have.” And, on the flop, “that Ace could not have helped you.”I read recently, in a book on poker tells, that if the other player is staring you down, giving you the finger, and pushing all his chips in the pot; he is rarely weak.In the AC scene Damon covers the basics of tells (“if a fish acts strong he’s bluffing, if he acts meek he’s got a hand”) with a voice over a montage of tourist tells. The other option is that Koppelman and Levien knew they were obvious tells, but that it was the price they thought they had to pay to “Hollywoodize” poker and make it interesting. “Reading Poker Tells is far and away the best book on live tells. The hands played in this movie are the best I’ve seen, It’s started a discussion for 15 years now with most anyone thats ever played holdem, you won’t find that from Casino Royale, or any other other lame movie hand where a straight flush beats four of a kind beats a full house beats a flush. Not really a verbal disclaimer, but Damon sighs, like he’s hurt.
Here KGB has to know mike is holding something big after calling a pot since bet, but when the ace falls on the river, Teddy is loving it, he knows his set is best, even though its not, in his mind he is certain, he splashes the pot knowing mike has to call. Rounders (1998) John Malkovich as Teddy KGB. Still love Rounders. His book is the current gold standard.” https://www.readingpokertells.com/testimonials/3063/ Teddy is thinking he is not falling for Mikes disclaimer, when he took his original $30,000 mike disclaimed “I don’t think you got the spades”, and they haven’t played since then so Teddy knows Mike and thinks he has him all figured out and puts mike on something like, A10, AK, 1010 JJ QQ KK 88 77, hard to say at this point with as little information as he has but he knows mike isn’t on a draw. Sometimes facial expressions and other forms of body language are all you have to work with.” https://www.readingpokertells.com/testimonials/3292/ https://www.readingpokertells.com/testimonials/4473/ Still love Rounders.
Michael is also the same guy who wrote I always thought it was kind of dumb that KGB’s “big tell” was eating Oreos. Starring: Matt Damon Edward Norton John Turturro Famke Janssen Gretchen Mol with John Malkovich and Martin Landau. [before their final game, putting his chips in a poker tray] Also, the golf pro’s bluff is legitimately obvious (discouraging table talk, upright posture, threatening body language, stare). Directed by John Dahl. [narrating] TheBmat 1,746,703 views.
In this scene Matt Damon's character finally finds KGB's tell and calls him on it Rounders - Best Scene [referring to Mike] Although then I would argue that it is still possible to create dramatic table talk that is realistic, too. “Reading Poker Tells is far and away the best book on live tells. I think it’s not unheard of, I agree. Movies. [during their final game] I think you’re right; I think they had a little bit of knowledge of tells (stuff they pulled from Caro), but I think they could have benefited from more thought on it. In other words, not complicated.
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